clinton, jimmy carter and barack obama. probably the only thing the four could agree on is they all admired and adored barack -- obviously, nelson mandela. and he was that kind of a force, not just as at the highest levels of political power in the world, but among the people, as well. i was in that soccer stadium the day that he was released after he was released. and it's just hard to fully understand the transformation of that country. you have to remember that before he was released, we didn't know what he was going to do once he got out. that he became even a larger figure in our lives than anybody could have anticipated. because he didn't tip his hand in any way about how he wanted to unify the country. there were elements of the a & c who said let the war begin now. but he chose not to go in that direction. and i think as obama put it, very appropriately today, he not only changed laws, but changed hearts, as well. it seemed to me that in his speech, as a tribute to nelson mandela, obama was speaking not just to the